-Submitter Name-----------------Sarah Gabrielle Baron and Constantine Kritsonis--------------------------------------------------Ratification Vote results: Adopted-------------------------------------Proposal----------- +Proposal:
- Change Article 8 to read:
- A General Meeting shall be virtual or a hybrid of in-person and virtual. All General Meetings will
- allow for online attendance, online participation and online voting.
- Replace Article 8.2 with the following:
- A quorum shall be two hundred (200) Members present at a General Meeting who are in good standing,
- representing at least two regions, as defined in the Bylaws.
- Change Article 8.3 to read:
- General Meetings shall be held at least once per calendar year. General Meetings shall occur within
-three-hundred and sixty-five (365) days of the previous General Meeting.- +15 months of the previous General Meeting.
- Change Bylaw 4.1 to read:
- Calling of General Meetings:
- Change Bylaw 4.1.1 to read:
- The General Meeting of Members may be called by the Federal Council by majority vote. Federal
- Council may establish the location and the date of the meeting.
- Change Bylaw 4.2.1 to read:
- General Meetings may also be called by:
- Change Bylaw 4.2.1.2 to read:
- Federal Council by a majority vote of Council members voting.
- Replace Bylaw 4.4.1 with the following:
- Votes cast by internet means shall be counted in real time. Votes shall be conducted by a process
- where the authenticity of the vote can be verified.
-Objective------------ +Objective:
- To enable a virtual attendance option at General Meetings. This enables participation by Members who
- would otherwise not be able to attend. To increase the frequency of General Meetings to a minimum of
- one per year.
-Benefits----------- +Benefits:
- Strengthens participatory democracy within the GPC by enabling more Members to participate in Party
- decisions. As Greens, we strive to make participation affordable, accessible, and carbon neutral.
-Supporting Comments from Submitter------------------------------------- +Supporting Comments from Submitter:
- As the COVID-19 pandemic continues to place limits on in person gatherings, virtual general meetings
- in large organizations are becoming more common. For example, several Canadian credit unions and
- banks have geared up for holding virtual Annual General Meetings.
- The Green Party of Canada has previously held an online special General Meeting successfully (OSGM
- 2016).
- The tradition of holding biennial general meetings or conventions is shared by most Canadian
- political parties. The driver for this limited frequency has to do with the logistics and cost of
- holding these conventions, which historically have been held in person. However, other national
- Green parties (for example, the Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand) conduct virtual Annual General
- Meetings.
- As Greens, we strive to make participation affordable, accessible and carbon neutral.
-Green Value(s)----------------- +Green Value(s):
- Participatory Democracy
-Relation to Existing Policy------------------------------This proposal would rescind, replace, and/or amend sections of Article 8 and Bylaw 4.- +Relation to Existing Policy:
- +This proposal would rescind, replace, and/or amend sections of Article 8 and Bylaw 4.
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Amendment to "G21-C005 Hold General Meetings Annually with a Guaranteed Virtual Attendance Option"
Title
- G21-C005 Hold General Meetings Annually with a Guaranteed Virtual Attendance Option
Français
- G21-C005 Tenir des assemblées générales annuelles avec une option de participation virtuelle
- garantie
Body
Title
- G21-C005 Hold General Meetings Annually with a Guaranteed Virtual Attendance Option
Français
- G21-C005 Tenir des assemblées générales annuelles avec une option de participation virtuelle
- garantie
Body
-Submitter Name-----------------Sarah Gabrielle Baron and Constantine Kritsonis--------------------------------------------------Ratification Vote results: Adopted-------------------------------------Proposal----------- +Proposal:
- Change Article 8 to read:
- A General Meeting shall be virtual or a hybrid of in-person and virtual. All General Meetings will
- allow for online attendance, online participation and online voting.
- Replace Article 8.2 with the following:
- A quorum shall be two hundred (200) Members present at a General Meeting who are in good standing,
- representing at least two regions, as defined in the Bylaws.
- Change Article 8.3 to read:
- General Meetings shall be held at least once per calendar year. General Meetings shall occur within
-three-hundred and sixty-five (365) days of the previous General Meeting.- +15 months of the previous General Meeting.
- Change Bylaw 4.1 to read:
- Calling of General Meetings:
- Change Bylaw 4.1.1 to read:
- The General Meeting of Members may be called by the Federal Council by majority vote. Federal
- Council may establish the location and the date of the meeting.
- Change Bylaw 4.2.1 to read:
- General Meetings may also be called by:
- Change Bylaw 4.2.1.2 to read:
- Federal Council by a majority vote of Council members voting.
- Replace Bylaw 4.4.1 with the following:
- Votes cast by internet means shall be counted in real time. Votes shall be conducted by a process
- where the authenticity of the vote can be verified.
-Objective------------ +Objective:
- To enable a virtual attendance option at General Meetings. This enables participation by Members who
- would otherwise not be able to attend. To increase the frequency of General Meetings to a minimum of
- one per year.
-Benefits----------- +Benefits:
- Strengthens participatory democracy within the GPC by enabling more Members to participate in Party
- decisions. As Greens, we strive to make participation affordable, accessible, and carbon neutral.
-Supporting Comments from Submitter------------------------------------- +Supporting Comments from Submitter:
- As the COVID-19 pandemic continues to place limits on in person gatherings, virtual general meetings
- in large organizations are becoming more common. For example, several Canadian credit unions and
- banks have geared up for holding virtual Annual General Meetings.
- The Green Party of Canada has previously held an online special General Meeting successfully (OSGM
- 2016).
- The tradition of holding biennial general meetings or conventions is shared by most Canadian
- political parties. The driver for this limited frequency has to do with the logistics and cost of
- holding these conventions, which historically have been held in person. However, other national
- Green parties (for example, the Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand) conduct virtual Annual General
- Meetings.
- As Greens, we strive to make participation affordable, accessible and carbon neutral.
-Green Value(s)----------------- +Green Value(s):
- Participatory Democracy
-Relation to Existing Policy------------------------------This proposal would rescind, replace, and/or amend sections of Article 8 and Bylaw 4.- +Relation to Existing Policy:
- +This proposal would rescind, replace, and/or amend sections of Article 8 and Bylaw 4.
G21-C005 Hold General Meetings Annually with a Guaranteed Virtual Attendance Option
Proposal:
Change Article 8 to read:
A General Meeting shall be virtual or a hybrid of in-person and virtual. All General Meetings will allow for online attendance, online participation and online voting.
Replace Article 8.2 with the following:
A quorum shall be two hundred (200) Members present at a General Meeting who are in good standing, representing at least two regions, as defined in the Bylaws.
Change Article 8.3 to read:
General Meetings shall be held at least once per calendar year. General Meetings shall occur within 15 months of the previous General Meeting.
Change Bylaw 4.1 to read:
Calling of General Meetings:
Change Bylaw 4.1.1 to read:
The General Meeting of Members may be called by the Federal Council by majority vote. Federal Council may establish the location and the date of the meeting.
Change Bylaw 4.2.1 to read:
General Meetings may also be called by:
Change Bylaw 4.2.1.2 to read:
Federal Council by a majority vote of Council members voting.
Replace Bylaw 4.4.1 with the following:
Votes cast by internet means shall be counted in real time. Votes shall be conducted by a process where the authenticity of the vote can be verified.
Objective:
To enable a virtual attendance option at General Meetings. This enables participation by Members who would otherwise not be able to attend. To increase the frequency of General Meetings to a minimum of one per year.
Benefits:
Strengthens participatory democracy within the GPC by enabling more Members to participate in Party decisions. As Greens, we strive to make participation affordable, accessible, and carbon neutral.
Supporting Comments from Submitter:
As the COVID-19 pandemic continues to place limits on in person gatherings, virtual general meetings in large organizations are becoming more common. For example, several Canadian credit unions and banks have geared up for holding virtual Annual General Meetings.
The Green Party of Canada has previously held an online special General Meeting successfully (OSGM 2016).
The tradition of holding biennial general meetings or conventions is shared by most Canadian political parties. The driver for this limited frequency has to do with the logistics and cost of holding these conventions, which historically have been held in person. However, other national Green parties (for example, the Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand) conduct virtual Annual General Meetings.
As Greens, we strive to make participation affordable, accessible and carbon neutral.
Green Value(s):
Participatory Democracy
Relation to Existing Policy:
This proposal would rescind, replace, and/or amend sections of Article 8 and Bylaw 4.
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if you make it 365 days, it is too restrictive as the date in the year can only move forward
Mark - I’m not clear on your comment.
I understand once a calendar year is insufficient description to avoid the extreme of early January one year followed by late December the next year (almost 24 months apart).
Would not the extra clause of within x days or y months address the goal of around once a year?
Hi Paul. I'm still trying to figure out this system but my comment refers to my proposed amendment which changes within 365 days to within 15 months.
Here's a crazy idea, but what about setting a regular time of year, for years that don't have an election or leadership review?
If the motion suggests that the Committee always tries to have the Convention in May to June (for example), then you have a predictable schedule that will self-correct if dates start slipping.
For example, you could still have the 15 month maximum to prevent it from slipping to much, but the "May to June" direction would ensure that if a convention is held late, then the next convention would be held early, to get back to the regular schedule.
Conversation with Paul Wilson
I like the regular time of the year (would suggest May to August to accommodate possible summer vacation synergies) .. and being flexible as long as it is annual, includes virtual participation, and never longer than 14 months apart.
Something regular, yes. I had previously checked other Green parties and NZ for examples stipulates within the first three months of a calendar year. But that wording works for them as that is their summer and you are suggesting summer here. I wonder though, in the future where we probably won't have so many people traveling to a GM, and that they will be done just about all virtually, if the Jan/Feb timeframe might be the best. We don't know and this is a Constitutional amendment which is difficult to change. If we say within 15 months then 5 years from now, it can be easily moved back in the year if that is determined to be best. You say 14 months, so not a big deal, either 14 or 15...
Conversation with Laurence Hudson Montgomery
I think in the longer term, we are looking at a continuous resolution process (CRP). A resolution could be put forward at any time and be moved stepwise through an online process to adoption. Once you lose the requirement of physical attendance, there is really no reason why 50-100 motions should all decided within a two or three day period.
There would of course be some resolutions that have to be decided at regular intervals (a budget for example). But otherwise resolutions should be considered more or less as they are proposed.
The only reason why I oppose this motion is because creating an 'online attendance platform' that integrates with in-person meetings would be very expensive. A CRP would also be expensive.
So if we are ultimately headed towards a CRP, it makes little sense to build the hybrid platform as in interim solution. This motion would commit the GPC to a high cost solution that could very quickly become redundant. Because there really is no need to squish our decision making into a rushed yearly process.
If we want to benefit from moving online, then let's move online. All of it.
Is there currently a proposal for continuous resolution process (CRP) ?
and if so, please, what is its policy Number and Title ?
Shel, there is no comprehensive motion currently for a CRP
And, yet Federal Council has recently moved forward on this initiative; didn't they ?
Not that I am aware of. A customized continuous resolution process would require 1) resources that we do not have and 2) a culture of trust that evades us. The only way I can see us getting to a CRP is with a core of skilled, nimble and _trusted_ volunteers to make decisions and get the work done.
We would have to be willing to blend
1) Technocracy (experts, often paid; a digital security consultant among others)
2) Representative democracy (A ctte answerable to Federal Council for example)
3) Participatory democracy (final ratification by the general membership say)
...with ...
4) Sociocracy (consent-based, feedback-sensitive, agile decision-making; implemented in a set of small but interconnected semi-autonomous groups).
Getting the first three to work together would be a miracle quite frankly. We don't have enough transparency to get anywhere near the level of cooperation required. Basic information is not being shared.
The GPC needs to first enter a golden age in which everyone is willing to show their cards. A reform-minded FC would be a minimum requirement. A general membership which understands the difference between authority over the FC and ill-advised attempts to manage/supervise FC operations is also necessary. There are a lot of members who still see representative democracy as a plaything of participatory democracy. And historically at least, a lot of FCs who have made the same mistake in reverse.
Still, it is important to have hope!
The Policy Development Process Committee which is composed of volunteers and Federal Council Reps has been asked to work on developing a continuous process for for member driven motions. This has been deferred until after the 2021 Virtual General Meeting.
I am glad that we have a cttee looking at a CRP. It is a _big_ project. But a hybrid meeting platform is even larger and more expensive. They really do have to be developed in tandem. Otherwise the costs would quickly spiral out of control.
I only oppose this motion because it creates a separate mandate for hybrid meetings. Motions that would spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to develop tools that need to work together really should to be consolidated. We don't want to create a million dollar screwdriver and a million dollar screw only to find that the sizes don't match.
If we want hybrid meetings, great. If we want hybrid meetings + CRP, we better coordinate and produce a single mandate. Has a CRP mandate actually been create by the GM, Catherine Jones? Or is the FC just 'exploring options' at this point?
Similar question to @laurence, where you state: "The Policy Development Process Committee which is composed of volunteers and Federal Council Reps has been asked to work on developing a continuous process for for member driven motions" - has been asked to work on... Asked by whom ? Presumably by FC, yes. Ought not such an initiative be triggered by a GM-approved motion / policy, even if just exploring ?
I can't tell if I'm commenting on the original policy or the amendment. But I really appreciate the discussion.
I support CRP and virtual meetings and something like a 15-month limit (which matches our EDA AGM requirement so consistent). With CRP the AGM will become more focused on training, networking and big-picture issues (like discussing how we govern ourselves). There should be briefs on policy (e.g. this is what's been developed since last AGM, etc) but they will no longer be the focus.
I'd like to understand more about the costs of combining in-person / on-line meetings. I think those in the convention business are going to have to provide this service, so I'd like to think it won't be a huge premium over a conventional in-person AGM.
Conversation with Shel Goldstein
FOR the amendment, an AGM-VGM once calendar year and within 14-15 months from the previous such meeting. @SGB Can the friendly amendment be accepted prior to Convention ? For those of us wanting to support this proposal with amendment, Which is best process is for us to vote this Yellow to add amendment at Convention ? or Green & add amendment from the floor ?
Hi Shel - If this proposal was green carded, the submitter can ask to put it into yellow category for a friendly amendment. There is a risk to doing that in the sense that there could be many yellow carded proposals and I think many yellow proposals wont get thought workshopping due to the sheer volume of proposals we are dealing with.
Conversation with Mark MacKenzie
Shel, I've Green lighted this even though I proposed the 15 month amendment. I dont want to see it get caught up in procedural wranglings which there might be. There is another GM scheduled for 2022 anyway so within 365 is fine for now. We can make the change next year.
I agree Mark, it it is green lighted, I'd say we pass it and amend next year
good strategy. I concur.
Great threads!! I really hope this passes. We have the beginnings of an active volunteer base running these meetings (VGM phase 1 and 2 - Bravo!!) we have the beginnings of an active Shadow Cabinet, we have the beginnings of online meetings where members get to chat and discuss (PDPC summer 2021 Zooms, November 2021 Motion Mondays, VGM phase 2 Green Talks), we have wedecide as an online member discussion forum (Bravo!), we have the beginnings of a constitutional renewal process, we have a bigger, reforming OAC, why not have General Meetings twice per year? Or three times per year? One for policy, one for Directives,.one for Constitutional work??? At the very very least we should have one per 365 days. Anything less and we lose momentum to make the Party truly grassroots and Member-controlled. The success of VGM part 1 and 2 needs to be built upon. We should never ever again have to demand a GM via EDA petition as we did summer 2021. Just a reminder, this VGM part 2 is dealing with 2020 motions. As per our constitution we require a fresh 2022 motion process. Let's get together and share ideas with PDPCers on how to make it Continual, and living. Exciting times! Canadian Greens are ready to lead the global evolution of Participatory Democracy.
This amendment is rejected as the official proposal (without wording changes) was adopted by membership at the Virtual General Meeting
Conversation with Lisa C
Amendment (to extend 365 days) is required asap, but please use a certain number of days (ex: "456 days (~15 months)") -- otherwise you have to define a "month" (ex: what if the previous meeting was on Feb 29th?).
Sorry that was a bad example -- I meant, what if the previous meeting was on the 30th of Nov? Does the next meeting have to be by Feb 30th = Feb 28 or Mar 2nd?
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